you look at the u.s. census and the states that are getting all the population have no taxes at all. zero state income tax. nevada, florida, texas, tennessee, states that have lower or no income tax and the states that are losing all the population are michigan, new york, california, new jersey, connecticut, illinois, obama's state. when the taxes are high, businessmen are running away with their assets and their incomes. >> california in a weird predicament because 1978 is when the proposition model went into place so that the voters there basically would vote for new programs, but not be able to vote to increase any revenue to be able to pay for it. right? so they're having to get it another way and that's driving people out of that state. >> listen, the argument for me is the other side. i lived in california for 13 years. property taxes were reasonable because of prop 13 and all those other tax were killing me. so the fact is, you have to add it all together. federal income taxes, your deductions, you